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Richard Miniter Education. (2012) 'Leading From Behind The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him.'

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  CSPAN    Book TV After Words    Richard Miniter  Education.  (2012) 'Leading From Behind  
   The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him.'  

    September 24, 2012
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i don't remember of the top of my head but i think a third of the harvard graduates are going in to finance and certainly the undergraduate class. there are not that many people going into manufacturing. partly there is a misperception in the country about how many good paying manufacturing careers are available, and manufacturing jobs pay about 20% more on average, by the finance industry and we have to do a better job of articulating the opportunities that exist in the manufacturing sector because there is misinformation that has gone offshore and manufacturing is being environmentally unsafe and we have to - recognize the leaders in manufacturing and one
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of the things if anything this book does, it tries to hold these people who are making things up as a model as something that should be celebrated. ..
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america actually has a surplus. so when you look with china, with a $6 billion surplus when it comes to services and a huge deficit when it comes to manufacturing. so, the iranians done correctly, which is figuring out how to match capital with good ideas is import in and having complex innovation is healthy for america system. the problem is short-term. short-term thinking where companies conmen and bankrupt companies for short-term gain instead of thinking what is the valuable long-term model of the rate of return? that has to do with corporate government laws and figuring out how we can have incentives and instructors that don't require an incentivize manager to make long-term decisions instead of macramé seeing the quarterly office.
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>> dgc and if these incentives that could be changed to incentivize? >> absolutely. but think a lot of the department of commerce help small and medium-sized businesses. 50% of their jobs to train our small come and medium-sized companies and small have an advantage because they are doing things. they can afford automation, making products rooted in their communities. and the reason i'm so passionate to some of these attacks on commerce is because some people say, well, we can just eliminate all of that. this subsidy, government assistance. well, the people who need the governments help in a world where their countries are subsidizing multinational corporations at the small and medium-sized businesses. there are a number of programs that help and are designed to
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help small and medium-sized program, an extension partnership, the export promotion agencies, a number of others that i describe in the book. i think sending men and coming to a bipartisan is that we need to work with some of them can be the one step in offsetting the disadvantage they are under competing with large companies. >> hi. in the absence of bipartisan leadership, to do some of the things you want government to do, it seems like the tax has become an instrument for encouraging or 18 american manufacturing, dear. so what is the appropriate role of the tax code in all of this? is it an efficient way to do things or how to transform the tax code?
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>> that's a great question. there's too tax policy ideas i discuss in the book. won is repatriation, which involves companies about money offshore, allowing them to bring it back into the united states that the condition that they invest in excellent capital in the united states. we tried to repatriation in 2004 and companies brought back the money and went out to shareholders and there is no actual investments in expansion of capital equipment, so i think having a compromise where you allow companies to repatriate the money coming out of the 35% tax rate, but maybe 10% to 12%, the tie that with actual metrics of expanding the workforce or investment in the united states is something we're looking at.
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secondly, i am president obama's proposal is a tax credit for companies to bring manufacturing back or invest back in the united states in communities and create jobs and proposed a 20% tax credit for those types of companies. why do you cut the corporate tax rate across the board? my argument for that is i don't think right now that either my law firm was investment bank of wall street needs that. i say let's target to areas that are in economic growth. so i am sympathetic to taxiing if they can be tied to accountability for companies to actually invest in other communities and create jobs. okay, last question. >> i'm wondering about tax incentives. on the other side, wouldn't it
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be okay -- i guess that's not quite the right word, to tax the imports? so that it discourages imports and encourages the local benefactor? >> that's a big debate about how much protectionism we should have as a country. my view is that the competition is fair, i think americans can compete and we should not be -- we should not be discouraged competition. the question is what happens at the constitution is unfair? i talk about history cylinder, which has become the department of energy, cylinder low and wide influence or fail? but one of the things that is the untold story is the reason it failed is because of the
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chinese dumping of solar panels. say you had when solar was starting, cheney's panels were at a much higher price because they explicitly done for solar panels in the united states and undercut cylinder solar panels. now i practice like that, which is the market distorting, the united states should act firmly come impose countervailing duty, and say that this is not acceptable. so i think we have to look at it on a case-by-case basis. irate about this in the book, there was a bilateral negotiation between the chinese and united states and they were complaining about the steel type duties we oppose them of our senior officials asked that their chinese counterparts. how many steel companies allowed to operate in china? the answer is zero. we'll almost five chinese
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companies to operate in the united states. so we need two years, i think, our trade policy to incentivize countries like china to open their markets and play by the same rules. below we shouldn't do in my judgment is protectionism simply decide to eight manufacturing against fair and healthy. thank you. [applause] >> up next on booktv, "after words" with guest host "forbes".com columnist karlyn bowman. this week richard miniter in his latest book, leading from behind. "the sunday times" reporter reporter president obama has
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been indecisive and conflicted too much of his presidency and many of his victories can be credited to someone else. this is about an hour. >> host: rich, congratulations on your books up to. first, tell our viewers how i decided to write the book. >> guest: i wanted to write a book without adjectives. i think there aren't a lot of anti-obama books out there. i didn't want to be either one of those books. i want to write a book that described an answer, what i thought was the most interesting question. we look at barack obama as a character. he is a fish out of water in a way. he's the guy that has decades of experience. his entire life is then that the committee table, the arizona state house or in various
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meetings. he was never the guy in the front of the room deciding, making the hard calls. he is very little if any matters in experience and suddenly he's in the most important managerial job, president of the united states, leader of the free world. so my question is how does he took? how does he decide? how does he make decisions? not what the content of those decisions are, but what is the leadership style? on at the run for books that looked at this in a serious and sustained way, they really weren't, so i wrote "leading from behind." >> host: is this a campaign documentary coming out posted election? >> guest: people like the timeframe when people are paying attention. most americans tune into politics around election time. >> host: one of the things that really surprised they would surprise a lot of our readers as you say twice the book at all of your sources were democrats and this is a very critical study of
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obama's leadership committed all your sources are democrats. >> guest: virtually all of my sources are democrats. a lot of them had a lan 10 career at the defense department intelligence services. but for the most part, that's right. these are people who work alongside the president in the white house, and the federal agencies they got to see him up close. what i discovered much to my surprise is basis and it is station that is really driven by rivalries. there's fighting in disagreement in this administration to look much like the reagan or nixon administration, it's much unlike the last bush administration, which is very corporate in the cultural field. even the bush memoirist we've seen haven't been that might be. this was very different. there's a lot of confusion and
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frustration and administrations a culture usefully reflects that. and so when you have obama, someone comes across, the people who know them as snooty, indecisive, his presence and he's not the one telling them. someone who is not a constant, predictable northstar. and that comes through in the cultural administration. so at some point, someone who has spent weeks or months working on a decision, working on a policy just to topple at the last minute by one of the close advisers were very little darker than the issue in which asserted swoop in and undo months of work and careful negotiation. so it was an ideological motivation. this professional motivation how
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to handle attacked investigative reporters. >> host: let's go through some of the case studies. i found the discussion with osama bin laden riveting. any details we haven't seen before? this is described over and over at the democratic national convention as a move that as president, but yet you describe it very differently. you talk about paraphrasing indecision and political calculation. tell us a little bit about your understanding of those two year-long decision process to go after osama bin laden. >> guest: well, there's two ways of looking at this decision. one is the mainstream media has telekinetic consistently that they started day or two before the rate and then look at the narrative of the raid itself. i was curious about the other way of looking at it, which is to say what did the president know from the earliest moment in
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the industry should and what were the decisions leading up to the final decision? early in the episode i wanted to look at the movie. when you look in the, there's people involved and you have to talk to people who ascend to career level. the sort of take the view that people who see it up close it in a different way. you redecorate man's biography and then you interview his wife. so we're talking about people who saw a lot of indecision, and a lot of back-and-forth. those are people who would work under clinton, were under w. bush. they certainly saw differences in the presidency, but not necessarily ideological foes. the the planning of the operations were stopped or stalled in 201111 and they asked why? the reason was valerie jette didn't like the idea, but she
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ordered them to stop. it's that the commanding that they should stop working on the bin laden rate at which he asked why, this is the reason i came back. >> are they involved in any discussions with hillary clinton, robert b. imus leon panetta? was she in the room? >> unclear, but probably not. there were a lot of discussions between valerie jarrett and the president himself. barack obama has said about valerie jarrett company told "the new york times" in 2009, i never make an important decision without talking to valerie jarrett first. he said he may support two to three times a day. if you look at what has this deluxe can you notice in the first of the administration, while we were hunting bin laden, to direct here, leon panetta
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only visited the white house nine times. so we have two or three times a day in one hand versus nine times in two years. >> host: you describe in your book how he met with the president far more often than the white house loves. you mention in the discussion in this particular case study that the president was able to make smart decisions, but never the big decisions along the way. >> guest: that's right. people tend to think of it as a movie where the president picks up the phone and tells them where to go and they take off. but it is complex and involves a lot of moving parts. you have to do then to carry people at the key positions. you have to train and rehearsed. this flood of intelligence has to be examined. and even before that you have to decide what shape the national tape. for much of 2010 there's much
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debate. should it be an airstrike? suddenly the military favorite that at the risk of american lives within airstrike is minimal. the ability to drop enormous amounts of ordnance and totally destroy the target is almost guaranteed. but that has political ramifications, too. valerie jarrett and others in the white house were concerned about the shockwaves they would send the weather would topple nearby apartment buildings, causing a rope like i. but ultimately i was ruled out and a commander team is put forward as another alternative. now what valerie jarrett and others think about, what they like about was they felt that contains so many thorny political problems, but yet somehow because hillary clinton was assistant, lien panetta was
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an assistant, and they manage to push the president to send the final order. postcode is so strict and given the unity and overall. tell us a little about some of the details you uncovered about the commando raid. in particular his interest in the discussion of adding the man who speaks some of the language. those are fascinating details. >> guest: i do see a interpreter who worked almost no experience jumping out of a helicopter comes of it to put through a fast course, something the seals do like we do getting in their cars. but it proved to be very helpful because he was a cia translator and was able to speak the local dialect to keep the neighbors who are curious about all the noise of the compound next-door to go back to their homes and so on. he sounded like a pakistani
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policeman, the dole, authoritarian voice they've heard my times before. >> that is really striking. another thing about the helicopter crash, but the session is also done actually didn't help the situation. why was that? >> guest: well, they construct did to the last inch in entire mockup of the compound. but when they creep the sentiment they use sizing practice exactly fine. but what they did knows is how to change the airflow of helicopters. in a down draft committee air won't go through the chain-link and allow the aircraft to settle perfectly. but they didn't anticipate how the narrow concrete, which would not allow her to pass would not provide a helicopter to slowly land. >> host: have you read the
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navy seal who just released a book? >> guest: no, i have not. but i've spoken to a number of people compared in a chapter to those who were involved. >> host: let's go back to that the seals were flying and asking if and, the president still wasn't ready to get this mission echo. >> guest: the call for a 24 hour delay citing weather. that made me curious for some difficulty got the weather performed another sort of funny getting these reports is at the beginning they they said they're classified. they said were talking about whether from a year ago in another country. eventually i got the weather report, but there is no cause for the weather delay at all. it was the night of lower limb, a night when it listened as bright. weather, wind, so i was fine. but the display was entirely political. even at the last minute
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president obama was concerned that it is going backfire. this is something valerie church, the drum valerie jarrett had been pounding. she was concerned it is going be something like this airplane. remember back in the carter years a failed effort to rescue hostages held in iran into american aircraft collated and servicemen died. it was really a pivot point in the carter presidency. to that point can people said he's not just the economy. he really can't lead. and she was afraid that it would go badly and is to be a pivot point in the obama presidency. we have a lot of similarities. high unemployment, uncertainty about the future of the economy, uncertainty about the future of the country. we have allies who are very uncertain about some deserting us. we have loss of american
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prestige abroad. then if you add this disaster, that would be the pivot point. she was worried about politics and the reelection. hillary clinton, petraeus, panetta are worried about missing an opportunity. this is a guy that killed 3000 americans. if america ever learned we had a minor sites and pull the trigger. >> host: that's what the leadership quotient comes in. i think the president and decision early on given so much at stake was something readers would understand. but what happened afterwards i think was really quite striking. here again but perhaps give the fingerprint of valerie jarrett? >> guest: perhaps. the man's body had splashed off the deck hours before and now coming here is the president of the united states racing to the television cameras to tell the world and intelligence and
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military communities served by which you give away to one advantage of really happened more, which is not a surprise. there's just too hefty trash bags full of documents, thumb drives, hard drives. why not spend a week or two with teams at the cia, intelligence and examine those, translate those. you could as located every senior al qaeda operative in the world. you could have learned where they get their money from, what power government focus area charities, drugs, a lot of theories. what did it from? what do they have inside the united states and nato allies for europe? you would have a blueprint of the entire network. a must have the network is as it
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doesn't note that obama instead you could surprise them, capture al qaeda leaders around the world, dismantled the organization and win the war. if he was willing to wait a couple weeks or months, he wouldn't just be announcing bin laden's deputy he announcing the death of al qaeda in the final victory in the war in terror and he threw that away for a few minutes before a television camera. >> host: is very clear from your accounts of that statement that he gave was written in advance, he was ready to go politically. as you say this up right in so many senior advisers. >> guest: he voted with ben rose who is very influential. >> host: let's move onto the second case study or another one that i also thought was fascinating. tension the middle east is hardly ever far from politics and again with the assassination of the libyan ambassador, the stories back in the news once
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again. the tac in particular about president obama's relationship with prime minister netanyahu in israel. tell us first about the influences on president obama in terms of the situation in middle east and thinking about the state of israel. casco when you look at this relationship, which is really falling apart, typically people say bush is bad chemistry the elected by minister and the president of the united states. vicious unfortunate circumstances and these guys just don't get along. and sometimes that happens in life. however, both leaders to us that the goals of the country and organization ahead of personality. but what i discovered is one personality crash, obama and israel go back to the 1980s. i found three handwritten letters written by barack obama
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to a palestinian those, where he is trying to cruciate him so. i touch on this roughly in the book. reverend wright, goes after someone who is influential and takes on his views of israel as well. most importantly, you have brought by walt and come up with neighbor in height park, in an area of chicago had a synagogue there. he's really on the far left of american politics. this is a person who in 1979 had an article saying jewish should stop talking about the holocaust. think about this come the late 1870s, which many holocaust survivors were still alive. there is still a show in their tattooed forearms, death camps to the press. this is when there's incredible consciousness raised.
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this is where america is finally coming to grips that genocide can happen and it's an important teaching moment in the jewish community and the larger american experience. at the moment he says he should stop talking about the holocaust. just as bad as what your doing to the palestinians. it's also the first leader to call for the palestinian state. this is someone who is way far out on the left. he's a harsh critic of israel, most particularly of the likud party. and so, because of the decades he spent, he introduces them to palestinians like christian comedian someone. that in his book, obama says he visited israel. that's true. he visited for 48 hours you have to subtract from that the 18 hours of flight time, there and
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back. so it's very small amount of time he spends in israel. and most of the meetings with people of like minded left-wing persuasion. he doesn't meet ordinary israelis and get a sense of the prospect graham. and his knowledge of israel is based on the works as an aside, was certainly a world-famous writer, but has a distinct view that is outside of the mainstream view of israel, which is to say, the israeli democracy is fundamentally flawed because it's not given full citizenship to palestinians, granting territories and so on. so he comes to this first meeting with netanyahu with a set of ideological axes to grind if you will. >> one of the new recruits to see an israeli politics -- i'm
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sorry can you assist or politics is the likud and i think he makes a point in the book that members of the j street group has been very influential group in terms of his initiation. there's more you suggesting pineda had according to the white house law. >> guest: the white ashes leon panetta visiting the director nine times. i would've never thought to look for that except i went to the j street conference in 2011 to hear what he had to say. they have a supreme court justice there, number of obama administration of former clinton administration officials there. but then you thought the access to the white house and the white house records certainly bear that out. certainly his was much more than any of the mainstream jewish organizations.
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bush is very much a cold peace between israel and the united states. >> host: tell us how you understand leadership giving his relationships with netanyahu and what your expectations are for weeks and months ahead. >> guest: first of all, it's really miscalculated what a determined leader that yahoo! is. his older brother dies rescuing and he himself, benjamin netanyahu was injured so he's been a commando. he is the son of one of the most committed zionist scholars, well-regarded scholars, someone who speaks to his history, traditions is personally craves. the idea he might be intimidated is silly. and so it greater access to u.s. media. the obama people believe that
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yahoo! is simply a foolish scandal and then to double down was before us. but there is no obvious goal to their policies. they were not persuaded any of likud prime minister is strictly not this one, benjamin netanyahu to rebirth in 1967 lines. it was foolish to even ask. post goes through as you think about the situation today, how can -- or can obama go forward given the leadership -- the lack of leadership you believe he showed in this area? >> guest: their focus on a problem from the 1970s, which is to seek peace between the palestinians and israelis and after the 1993 oslo accord, in which palestinians were 90% of what they wanted, it still says no and the blood of israelis, the moment for me to do all of her piece has passed.
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it may come again, but certainly the moment has passed. meanwhile, both the sunni arabs and the israeli jewish are concerned about the growth of the persian bomb. with thousands in iran now, 24 different size. so she thinks they are making the iraqi mistake for a 1991 they stopped for a time the iraqi nuclear program. they spread their program out and scientists from countries as well. a very sophisticated effort. they've also adopted the latter missiles of the shop three. they are determined to become an atomic power. it is important to them or what atomic powers do. they don't detonate atomic bombs. they threaten to do so and assassinate with those threats. i talked to high-ranking officials in saudi arabia to
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nearby arab countries, they are equally terrified of israelis. they know what kind of concessions the persians will demand and they're not going to be small and ambition. >> host: list of fun too fast and furious, with the secretary-general's report from eric holder and the president to talk about waiting for the verdict but what happened in the fast and furious operation where you see another example of deficiencies in obama's leadership, and particularly saying that the subordinate, a personal friend of the president. let's walk through the steps of how fast and furious happened in obama's leadership. >> guest: welcome well, tested many leaders. what happens when a scot line, the attorney general general and his staff retracted one statement before the united states representatives. they had to change their story a number of times and it is clear
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that withholding of evidence, congressional investigators have identified some 70,000 pages responded to the request. they've only gotten about 7000, so it's an incredible number. but the subpoena issued lawfully billy had two choices. take a turn over the documents, which of the documents are exculpatory like they say, frankly when i turn over the documents in the scandal? instead, they did something very unusual, something very next night, which was executive privilege. executive privileges present the president and ms. tripp divisors to offer advice. and of course pending national security or pending criminal cases. but those are the three things that usually deny officials a subpoena. they're just trying to cover
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holder. a look at the complex relationship between eric holder and the president of the united states. first of all there's incredible debt of gratitude they appeared early on in 2007, obama's candidacy for president sees looks like a longshot. eric holder of the deputy attorney general under clinton, came to work for his campaign they were able to push that, said clinton people are coming to overcome we do in the future. and then eric holder in the course of the campaign was there for a number of key moments. reverend wright is one example where he was able to handle the crisis and help either when your donations for work on key speeches. the president became very close. he's one of the few cabinet members -- he's the president on a social basis is welcoming white house residence, unlike
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other cabinet secretaries. to put this in perspective, the transportation secretary brenda hood didn't see the president in when he was sworn in until his sentence came out. he's from illinois. there's a chicago connection, too. but the number one agenda this day didn't see each other for years. eric holder had this close relationship. for more importantly, eric holder has a deep relationship with leaders of the black community that the president simply doesn't have. he knows all sharpton and he knows jesse jackson senior and junior is a long-time personal relationship with them and many other influential black leaders. so the political calculation here is a president obama fires eric holder, he just fired the first african-american attorney general united states. how does that play the key voting bloc?
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and other matters who does he replace eric holder with? time is short. but the senate going into reelection votes. so it is a difficult problem, but the key to leadership is you should always remove the subordinate was last works with. the largest number in u.s. history and attorney general, asking nixon's attorney general to resign. >> host: let's talk about the outburst and most of your readers will be familiar with the kind of agent were in terry, but hundreds of people have died because of the operation fast and furious. have you support that? >> guest: hundreds of people inside mexico. mexican justice department based on this crime scene and so on. one of the things people don't realize is mexico has launched
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an investigation to fast and furious fast and furious and have been sharing results with u.s. congressional investigators. so there is a full amount of cooperation, but for the mexicans this is a major threat. they did not approve the operation in advance. th were not told of the operation until it surfaced in the u.s. press. >> host: when did originate? >> guest: where did originate? >> host: was in phoenix or what we know about that? >> guest: the alcohol tobacco and firearms bureau is its main regulator of legal bombs, yet the problem is single firearms aren't very few crimes. less than 1% involved lawfully obtained firearms. murder, so when our almost always used. city agency for a long time on a jurisdiction to expand its operations. they did and to therefore have a
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scenario in which firearms had been used in that kind. at the same time political people also wanted their concern about a recent supreme court case, which had revolted the second amendment and bring it back under control. so there is an ideological agenda and a clear agenda. but they're a lot more controls in place in the operation was a failure. it wasn't the dangerous failure, but they decided to double down on the mistake in the above meteors. how far the decision went so far we just don't know. but it seems likely given an operation of this magnitude and the swiftness of the cover-up that all the whistleblowers were demoted, transferred or fired in all the people who participate in the cover-up were stonewalled overpromoted to either bring back to washington a given cushy
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jobs or places they referred. they were kept to their posts. only those who cooperate with the investigation were pushed out. >> host: let's move onto something more directly involved in domestic policy and that is the health care industry. this which he described as a signature initiative unless provide another example of obama's leadership style and in particular with relation to nancy pelosi, who was extraordinarily influential in the health care debate, moving it forward with the president leading from behind. >> guest: you know, i don't share nancy pelosi's politics, but i've really come to admire her as a leader and visionary. here is someone who is very
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jealous of her prerogatives, but had a definite ideological agenda. health care reform had been part heard what the agenda for a century, has been the democratic platform since 1948. everyone had tried, lbj tried, clinton had tried. she wanted to try and she wanted to win. she wanted to get some version of the national health service pass the united states and she did it. but for she had to win over, himself. >> host: he had been there before. >> guest: exactly. the republicans got control of the house of representatives. so he was going to be a political disaster. he could see it coming.
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nancy pelosi was determined she went over the president. that decision that went over, doesn't mean she stayed at the reservation. there were key moments in which it looks like it was going to fail and obama wanted to distance himself from that failure. so he would pull a disappearing act and he would have to hunt down and get him to call a congressman who was issuer. she then had ernie frank. >> host: i think this is part of the difference on health care. >> guest: that's a great part of it. also most likely with valerie chery. there's the executive personality and is probably doing a pretty good job. >> host: let's talk about what nancy pelosi did and is in the last few weeks when he enrolled at harry reid and david he suggested. >> guest: a number of
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innovative confronted their old members said they had to go for it to see the senate. she pushed it through. she said there's a sense, will climb the fence. if there's a court in front of me, we'll get through the gate and parachute in. she was absolutely determined that she got there. but ultimately she didn't get to go to the promised land. will probably end her political career in the political minority as a result. >> host: do you think obama was thinking about that all along? there is hesitation at every station this debate because obviously if i'm as concerned about political calculations. >> guest: at one in his position as worried. it's a matter of degree, right? but i think it is just a u.s. senator and a moment before that, a junior lawmaker.
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i think he's still just adapting to being president of the united states. it's a different kind of leadership pose and which when you're a junior lawmaker he took it over the failure quickly so you can continue to rise. so when he saw obama can't get him into trouble, he wanted to back away. he wanted to talk about something else. this is very much of a junior lawmaker would act. but somebody win a committee and u.s. congress, for example, or speaker of the house was a general or ceo, d.c. speed bumps, they see mountains and away and the client then and they get there. that is not for junior people do. that was set themselves up for the next thing. i don't think obama has made mental adjustments. >> host: so the leadership failure is the inability to set priorities and let other set priorities for him.
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>> guest: is very much set by other people. his signature legislation is working with nancy pelosi. >> host: we didn't hear much about that at the democratic convention, did we? you and bob woodward in his new book on the obama presidency seemed to be much in agreement on the discussions in 2011. talk about those. guess i would probably to some of the same people. but here is an extraordinary moment in american politics, with the tea party brings republicans back from the dead. they get control of the congress. sean boehner, speaker of the house. and boehner realizes he has to confront if he's going to save the united states from a credit rating downgrade. credit rating agencies are prepared in august 2011. for the first time in american history to downgrade the united
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states from triple-a status. and this is going to be a political disaster. boehner concealed but this is going to be blamed on republicans. so he feels both political blamed, but also the country. two heartbeats away from the presidency at a moment when america's creditors downgraded for the first time in our history. and so, he does something extraordinary. he acts like a leader. he comes up with a compromise, with a call a grand. he can't raise taxes. that's an impossibility from where he sits, but it has come up with a way to close tax loopholes and $800 in new revenue. that should be enough. and he seeks out obama in together given to meeting secretly. of course it is coming back
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patios and they come to a deal. and i can feel history at their back. birdwatcher reform entitlement or the vice president briefly involved. there are other players involved. but at the very moment they're making this deal and shaking hands, obama suddenly gets cold feet and he realizes the game of and the u.s. senate races to 1.2 trillion the revenue. it ultimately decides he's going to torpedo his own people rather than confront the old liberal line with a half a dozen people from ceasing to simply don't want to give up their revenue is certainly don't want to reform entitlements, not when they're that good.
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they don't want to take the legacy of their youths and change it and they're not prepared to confront their own ideological past and obama as a leader is not prepared to get half a dozen old and you say we demand that come in the country is about to walk off a cliff here. it's time to rethink the. so if i go with you, get absolutely nothing. instead, because without him and he gets nothing. there's more than 700 days. the trust in washington is gone. now democrats don't trust him and he is unable to govern in a key economic area. it's an extraordinary moment in the press is totally ignored it. >> host: if obama is reelected, where will be another downgrade?
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>> guest: i think of the house and senate remain and obama is reelected, simply continues, i think we could detonation. >> host: if the democrats continue to control the senate? >> guest: they do not control the senate, but to control the house. the lack of trust is enormous. the inability to think outside the box. let's look at the bigger picture here. the entitlement state is created in the 1930s and expanded 1960s, but it's almost 50 years old. what other thing in american life has gone unchanged in 50 years? the fact that one political party, the democrat is not prepared to make any reforms of entitlement is simply extraordinary. and this is a crisis affecting
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not just in the united states, but throughout the western world. this is what's happening in japan, australia. as the baby boom is set to retire, going to have to confront the entitlement state and reform some of those promises are these economies will simply implode. and to make those hard choices, you either need some leaders to grow up or a new set of leaders. >> host: when you talk about the health care bill, the debt ceiling, he's just not been present for the election. this is also many decided to rent for presidency and many would argue this is extraordinary -- or mental to his success. >> guest: does a great anecdote in which nancy pelosi and reid and obama and obama is going on at some length and nancy pelosi just leans over and hit the button and starts a conversation with reid. that illustrates for my own
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sources. battles the lack of trade simply isn't there. they simply see him as an empty suit. he hasn't been able to deliver on anything. conservatives think about things they tend to see obama as an equal genius, which i think it's nuts. he is an ordinary man tried to make the best he can. but he is deeply disappointed in him. they had a much bigger agenda. they needed a personality like an lbj to really make that happen. they notice and to designate that hillary might have had a personality. she probably does actually. but obama deftly did not. this is some of his solitary and those interested days to describe him today. his next retreat to an office, a private office in the white house.
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his own staff does know how he's going to decide on the issues. he hesitates and with a lot. >> guest: let's go back to the chapters are in a talk about enormous influence of president obama. tell us about that. >> host: >> guest: somehow strong, confident women and i think -- look, they cited a generational change in american politics. george bush listen to a number of strong women as well. but what is extraordinary about obama is that she really needs someone who can read this complex and ever-changing moods and read him where he is. and successful women tend to be a little better. and i don't want to sound like a fraud here, but there's also a bit like his mother and his mother with a term relationship at arms length.
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she was very solitary. she's been progressive and typical in its outlook. but she was very independent. she needs a lot of time alone. for a small child he learned this is what he became familiar with. she went to raid her dissertation. he looked inside the key women with valerie jarrett present initial figure, simultaneous advisor to president and the first lady. michelle obama in 1991 is involved in every aspect. she's the only advisor in american history that goes on vacation without his family. housecoat tell us about how that started in valerie shares
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background. >> guest: her father is a noted lead researcher at the university of chicago and opens the hospital in iran and she is born there. spent a lot of her childhood following her parents around the middle east, the developing world in some cases western europe. a lot of it outside the united states. when she meets barack obama in 1891 in a café in chicago, they had a lot in common. they both grew up in muslim countries. he ran and indonesia. they have a different date. they're definitely on the last part of the spectrum and they have resorted to stand for what they consider an american parochialism. and that becomes a bonding moment. early on. but let's not forget who valerie
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shared is in the obama is. she is the gilded arch gateway into the establishment. she knows everyone. she's from a prosperous and successful family that's been successful for a long period of time. she was deputy chief of staff, mayor of chicago, have the power to stop the projects, went to stanford law school. this is someone who is very influential, very connected, very powerful. and they become very grateful and becomes essentially a third member of the family. i find it really interesting story. i can't wait to read the memoirs from every sin. >> host: reading about the generational change.
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>> guest: motivational. here are some of it is a bit of a rival in the 2008 came pain. one of the vices, harsh nominations that the democratic party history. they were given a seat at the table. often secretary of state, really kind of a bid for party unity, a very few of hillary supporters on the steps of illustration i've been put and intended to visit. she asked one condition. she'll take the job on one condition. she wants a weekly standing meeting with the president and she gets it. i bet those first two meetings are pretty awkward. they usually occur in the mornings, but in the course of those meetings, she wins over the president to her hard work, intelligence, but time to really
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she's a familiar figure, a strong, confident woman. is that women like her before, is comfortable with her and she knows how to read him. she has spent her life was difficult men. her father, her brother, other men in her life. she knows how to deal with these men and she knows how to do with barack obama. >> host: well, we should conclude by talking about leadership itself and what you think is the key ingredient. you mentioned in your book will be seeing barack obama. >> guest: a leader stays engaged. we have barack obama walking out in 2009 during the briefing on the cooled oil spill crisis in the room as credit with coast guard officials in epa and energy and someone.
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steven chu walks out of the room. the negotiations get tough, john boehner at one point walks out of the room. at another point when he's negotiating with then speaker nancy pelosi, says i'm not a man walks out of the room. that is not leadership. if leader stays engaged, wins people over, persuades, compromises, controls, does what has to be done in order to get there, wherever there is. that is one of the aspects of leadership. another is the stuff on subordinates, just as his tie for self. when he's lied, what is that.net typically, he needs to go. a leader has a vision. hosts are absolutely, and other